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Picea mexicana 'Pervana'

coniferjoy
12 years ago

I received this one under the name Picea engelmannii var. mexicana 'Pervana'.

In another topic Clement mentioned that it would be better to name it as a true species: Picea mexicana.

This is the one at my collection

Picea mexicana 'Pervana' specimen

Cones in Spring 2011

Cones now

buds

Last Spring this was a true cone party for me, it was comparerable with the Picea abies 'Acrocona'.

There's no furthur info about this cultivar on the internet so I'm not familiar if this early coning happing is normal for this species otherwise I would recomment it for every bigger garden!

I'm also very curious if I've to use the species name Picea mexicana or Picea engelmannii var. mexicana.

I hope the cone and bud pics can help me out and I would appreciate the species specialist comments...

Comments (12)

  • clement_2006
    12 years ago

    What are different from the species ?
    Clement

  • fotisr
    12 years ago

    Very beautiful Edwin! Is the species so blue? Have you propagated it yet?

  • cryptomeria
    12 years ago

    @ Edwin:
    Farjon says engelmannii ssp. mexicana.

    I had a normal mexicana with very blue needles like yours in earlier times, but never cones. So I think this can be the difference. What I will tell you. I planted my small one in 1982 and the next ten winters we had very deep temperatures till -25�C. But never there was any damage. I think, this is a very hardy species.

    So far for winter hardiness.

    Wolfgang

  • coniferjoy
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    Clement, I saw at your plantslist that you've also the Picea mexicana in your collection.
    Did that plant also have cones at an early age?

    I also have some grafted ones of the Picea mexicana species but the main difference with the 'Pervana' is that the last one does have a more graceful habit and does have longer needles.

    Fotis, it's propagated, I've one specimen at my nursery :0)
    The needle colour is an outstanding blue just like the one at my pics.

    Wolfgang, thanks for your comment about it's winterhardiness, that's valuable info for me!

    Now I'm very interested in Resin's comment about the true species name.
    Is it Picea mexicana, Picea engelmannii var. mexicana or Picea engelmannii ssp. mexicana?
    Thanks in advance!

  • blue_yew
    12 years ago

    I would say thats a normal picea mexicana I have one
    called 'Blue Shimmer' maybe more blue.

  • fotisr
    12 years ago

    Called it first!!! :)

  • pineresin
    12 years ago

    "Now I'm very interested in Resin's comment about the true species name.
    Is it Picea mexicana, Picea engelmannii var. mexicana or Picea engelmannii ssp. mexicana? "

    I'm for Picea engelmannii subsp. mexicana. It is similar to P. engelmannii in morphology and genetics, but does show distinct adaptations to different climatic conditions.

    Resin

  • coniferjoy
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    Thanks Resin, can you also tell me if it is common for this species that they're bearing cones at such a young age or is this a typical thing for the cultivar 'Pervana'?

  • pineresin
    12 years ago

    I'd guess it is just because it is grafted, with physiogically mature growth on top. Grafted plants often produce cones much younger than seedlings.

    Resin

  • clement_2006
    12 years ago

    My plant from seeds have now 6 to 7 meters hight, with some cones at the top.
    Clement

  • HU-169368394
    3 years ago

    coniferjoy

    Very nice pictures. I'm not sure about the "Pervana" suffix (but I think it is incorrect). According to relatively recent studies this is a separated species from Picea engelmanii (https://doi.org/10.1600/036364404774195485 and https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2013.07.004), and deserves the status of species: Picea mexicana Martínez.

    You right! This species is similar than P. abies var. Acrocona, with the difference that Acrocona can produce cones at a year old; for P. mexicana it is unknown, but in field there are young individuals with cones. Did you recorded the age at which your exemplar produced cones? Did you tested the seeds for germination?

    In which country is this exemplar?


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