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Picea pungens / engelmannii

clement_2006
10 years ago

Now is a good time to look the difference between Picea pungens and engelmannii,


Picea pungens "Niemetz"

Picea pungens "Brynek"


Picea engelmannii

Picea engelmannii "Lobo"
Note the dark brown scales of engelmannii, and light
brown yellow scales of pungens.

Clement

Comments (23)

  • ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
    10 years ago

    its that simple.. ???!!!!

    crikey man.. learn something new everyday ...

    and to think.. its 35 past noon [i dont know the metric equivalent] ....

    and now i have to go back to bed.. so i can learn something new tomorrow ...

    lol

    thx for the pix.. and the lesson ...

    ken

  • outback63 Dennison
    10 years ago

    Picea engelmannii 'Magoo' with cones.

    Fairly young cultivar.

    {{gwi:710986}}

    Dave

  • coniferjoy
    10 years ago

    Clément my friend, thank you very much for this helpful info!
    I'll check on some others tomorrow.

    Dave, it's Picea engelmannii 'Blue Magoo'...
    It was found ans introduced by the Buchholz Nursery.

  • davidrt28 (zone 7)
    10 years ago

    Interesting tidbit, the owner of Suncrest Gardens in Carlisle, PA told me a conifer expert visited his garden who could tell those 2 apart simply by their fragrance.

    To whoever selected it, when will we see Picea 'Warrior'? That was a cool looking plant.

  • coniferjoy
    10 years ago

    ans = and ;0)

  • coniferjoy
    10 years ago

    David, the 'Warrior was found by another friend of mine, the Conifer Crazy from Iowa, Dennis Hermsen.

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    Thanks Clement!

    Here is Picea engelmannii 'Warrior' - it's been a difficult plant to graft. Hope to eventually get a stock plant going with more vigorous growth. This scion was grafted in spring 2011.

    Picea pungens 'Whipsnap'
    (I had previously thought this was engelmannii. Glabrous twigs confirmed with magnifying glass.)

  • clement_2006
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    And now for Picea pungens "Whipsnap" the colour of scales confirm.
    Clement

  • coniferjoy
    10 years ago

    Nate, I guess you've to check your 'Weston Sprite' as well...

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    Edwin, unfortunately I had no takes from the Weston Sprite. Sounds like the signs are pointing toward pungens instead of engelmannii.

  • henksgarden
    10 years ago

    Nate and Edwin a photo of my Picea pungens Weston Sprite

  • coniferjoy
    10 years ago

    Henk, are you sure it's a Picea pungens?
    We received it as Picea engelmannii...

  • clement_2006
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Yes, the scales are like a pungens.
    Clement

  • coniferjoy
    10 years ago

    Ok, then I saw it right when I checked on this one.
    That's why I asked Nate to check on his one as well.
    To bad that he didn't succeed in propagating it...
    Here is mine:
    Picea pungens 'Weston Sprite'

    This post was edited by coniferjoy on Tue, May 21, 13 at 13:23

  • gardener365
    10 years ago

    We already know 'Bush's Lace' to be engelmannii from cone ID, but yesterday I saw a conelet on my specimen, + the bud scales were ready for photographing.

    Picea engelmannii 'Bush's Lace'

    Picea engelmannii 'Bush's Lace'

    Dax

    This post was edited by gardener365 on Tue, May 21, 13 at 8:27

  • coniferjoy
    10 years ago

    Dax, nice conelet!
    Any chance to cross it with some male pollen of a special Picea?

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    Yeah, the cone looks great!

    Thanks Henk and Edwin for the Weston Sprite pics, it's very interesting to see the form of this broom!

  • coniferjoy
    10 years ago

    Nate, you're welcome!
    Maybe you can give it another try to graft it again comming winter.
    So to see there are planty of scions on the original broom...

    Is that pic of the 'Warrior' recently taken?
    Is this the first time that it flushes with new growth?

  • gardener365
    10 years ago

    I couldn't find any engelmann pollen. I will look for pungens pollen today.

    Dax

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    Edwin, this is the first time new growth has flushed since the tree was planted out in summer '11.

    The weaker growth at the top is what appeared after grafting in spring '11, when the plant was under artificial light in the basement.

    The pic is recent, taken less than a week ago.

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    Here is the bud when it first appeared last year, in June 2012.

  • dansgrdn
    10 years ago

    Thanks for sharing that helpful tip Clement.

    Dan

  • davidrt28 (zone 7)
    10 years ago

    Too bad 'Warrior' takes so long to start growing. Now I'm worried...how to do we know the photograph of the original plant in the wild isn't showing a plant > 1000 years old. I'm not going to live that long!
    Here is the original 'Warrior' thread with pictures of the full-sized plant:

    Here is a link that might be useful: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/conif/msg0710525532486.html

    This post was edited by davidrt28 on Sun, May 26, 13 at 13:57

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